TDE Lore - Battles

[Farflame]

Hi, guys and ladies. I'm interested in TDE lore and stumbled upon this:

- 1027 BF - Battle at Warkhome (german Wehrheim) - you all know this story. Flying fortress Kholak-Kai destroyed almost whole city of Warkhome and many units of Midden Realm forces. But I wonder which formidable type of magic ritual or attack did it used? I found somewhere that it created "rain of fire" from above that burnt the city, but Im not sure if its true. On wiki there is info about big chasms in a city, so was it in fact earthquake? Or both fire and earthquake? Can you help me?

Thanks for any info.

[Amosh]

- 1027 BF - Battle at Warkhome (german Wehrheim) - you all know this story. Flying fortress Kholak-Kai destroyed almost whole city of Warkhome and many units of Midden Realm forces. But I wonder which formidable type of magic ritual or attack did it used? I found somewhere that it created "rain of fire" from above that burnt the city, but Im not sure if its true. On wiki there is info about big chasms in a city, so was it in fact earthquake? Or both fire and earthquake? Can you help me?

The ritual is called the magnum Opus des Weltenbrands (Magnum opus of the burning worlds / holocaust / Ragnarök). Thousands of slaves were sacrificed to fuel a blood magic ritual that caused anti-(=perverted) elemental havoc: Storm (air), spores that cause rapidly growing hostile tendrils (earth), inferno (fire) and earthquakes (ore), one after another.

[virumor]

Is this battle the "Battle of the Clouds" that is referenced in the game?

[Amosh]

No, the battle of the clouds was fought over Gareth some days later, where airborn forces attacked the flying fortress (gryffon riders, flying carpets, djinni, witches, some balloons).

[Farflame]

Amosh: thank you for interesting info.

Is this battle the "Battle of the Clouds" that is referenced in the game?

The battle I mentioned is called "Battle on Mythrael's Field" or "Battle of Warkhome". It was gigantic battle fought both on ground and in air. On ground Midden realm forces were victorious, but in air its different story (flying fortress released on the city something like "hell on earth"). In this battle the famous Ferdok Lancers were almost completely eradicated - its mentioned in the game (I'm not sure if all members of the unit or the rest were killed later in Battle of the Cloulds).

No, the battle of the clouds was fought over Gareth some days later, where airborn forces attacked the flying fortress (gryffon riders, flying carpets, djinni, witches, some balloons).

Do you know the reason why flying fortress fell from sky? Was it so much damaged it couldnt stand in air anymore so Galotta let it crash into the Praios temple?
BTW who used balloons as war machines?

[Amosh]

Do you know the reason why flying fortress fell from sky?

Leonardo the Mechanic, who was once enslaved by Galotta, built a self-destruct mechanism into the city: The moment Galotta died (slain by a group of heroes), the city began to break apart.

BTW who used balloons as war machines?

In his better days Leonardo experimented with them, and they still were lying around in some warehouses all over Gareth, so the defense forces used them (after the heroes had discovered them)

[virumor]

Thank you for this information, Amosh.

I am very interested in TDE lore, myself. Is there any good online resource for this?

[Alrik Fassbauer]

Only the wiki, as far as I know.

http://www.wiki-aventurica.de/index.php ... :Main_Page

What you could do to learn this world a little bit more, is playing these commercial browser games : http://www.tde-games.com/

And, of course, play the old "Realms Of Arcania" Trilogy.

[Farflame]

Leonardo the Mechanic, who was once enslaved by Galotta, built a self-destruct mechanism into the city: The moment Galotta died (slain by a group of heroes), the city began to break apart.

Why did Leonardo stay in Black Lands after Galotta's death? He was abducted by Galotta, but tried to sabotage his plans. Leonardo's mechanical war-machines like iron turtles (used in Third battle of the demons) were sabotaged by him. So why he make a triumvirate with Balphemor of Punin and Arngrimm von Ehrenstein to rule over Transysilien? Was there somehow involved a splitter of demonic crown used by Galotta?


Another question regarding this era:
Did you know how Rhazzazor died in the Battle of the Three Emperors? Afaik it was internal conflict between ruthless usurper of the throne Answin von Rabenmund and future empress Rohaja. What was Rhazzazor's intend to intervene into this battle? Did he tried to kill Rohaja and/or emperor Hal (who mysteriously appeared after x years of being officially dead)?

Only the wiki, as far as I know.
http://www.wiki-aventurica.de/index.php ... :Main_Page

Good source, but flawed. Some info is short or missing details. For example I wonderer how Rohal the Wise take the emperors throne (465 BF). Its known fact that he banished last priest emperor and proclaimed emperor himself and started era of magic and renovation. But it seems strange that he was able to achieve this goal - Praois church was very strong, they had many followers, elite Sun Legion, Inquisition and other orders and army at their disposal. Or did Rohal use some magic "trick"?

[Amosh]

Why did Leonardo stay in Black Lands after Galotta's death? He was abducted by Galotta, but tried to sabotage his plans. Leonardo's mechanical war-machines like iron turtles (used in Third battle of the demons) were sabotaged by him. So why he make a triumvirate with Balphemor of Punin and Arngrimm von Ehrenstein to rule over Transysilien? Was there somehow involved a splitter of demonic crown used by Galotta?

Correct. He tried to construct a container for the Agrimoth splinter, but he failed and was corrupted by the splinter.

Another question regarding this era:
Did you know how Rhazzazor died in the Battle of the Three Emperors? Afaik it was internal conflict between ruthless usurper of the throne Answin von Rabenmund and future empress Rohaja. What was Rhazzazor's intend to intervene into this battle? Did he tried to kill Rohaja and/or emperor Hal (who mysteriously appeared after x years of being officially dead)?

Rhazzazzor tried to break his pact with Thargunitoth by sacrificing the people of Gareth via an old blood ritual and via the power of the Emperor's cursed sword Silipon. He was killed by the Staff of forgetting, the holy artifact of both Boron churches. The staff had previously absorbed the soul of a renegade Boron Priest and was destroyed when it shattered Rhazzazzor's head.

Good source, but flawed. Some info is short or missing details. For example I wonderer how Rohal the Wise take the emperors throne (465 BF). Its known fact that he banished last priest emperor and proclaimed emperor himself and started era of magic and renovation. But it seems strange that he was able to achieve this goal - Praois church was very strong, they had many followers, elite Sun Legion, Inquisition and other orders and army at their disposal. Or did Rohal use some magic "trick"?

Well, he's (the son of) a demigod...

[Farflame]

Rhazzazzor tried to break his pact with Thargunitoth by sacrificing the people of Gareth via an old blood ritual and via the power of the Emperor's cursed sword Silipon. He was killed by the Staff of forgetting, the holy artifact of both Boron churches. The staff had previously absorbed the soul of a renegade Boron Priest and was destroyed when it shattered Rhazzazzor's head.

Please could you write about this topic a little more? I didnt find it on wiki. What is Silipon and who killed Rhazzazor using that Staff? Who was that renegade Boron priest?

For example I wonderer how Rohal the Wise take the emperors throne (465 BF). Its known fact that he banished last priest emperor and proclaimed emperor himself and started era of magic and renovation. But it seems strange that he was able to achieve this goal - Praois church was very strong, they had many followers, elite Sun Legion, Inquisition and other orders and army at their disposal.

Well, he's (the son of) a demigod...

I know he is but I still wondered how he achieve it. But I may underestimate his powers as demigod. If he was able to use his powers wisely, he should be able to raise some oppression against rule of priest emperors and take the throne.

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Do you know some source with detailed history of Mage Wars? I'm interested especially in 2 topics:
- Rhazzazor's involvement in this conflict (on wiki there is some info that he was known as Black Dragon Emperor in this era).
- What happened in Moorbridge Marshes in era of Mage Wars? Some big battle of mages that changed the land forever into bleak marshes? That had to be strong power.

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I'm searching for one specific type of a hero in Aventuria history. Not usual warrior-type or mage. Its more of a commoner (wanderer) but brave one. Someone who achieved some heroic deed mostly because of his strong character traits - by strong will, perseverance or cunning. Someone who defeated much stronger enemy because he tried hard and didnt resign. Do you remind of some Aventuria hero who could fit into this cathegory?

[Alrik Fassbauer]

Please could you write about this topic a little more? I didnt find it on wiki. What is Silipon and who killed Rhazzazor using that Staff? Who was that renegade Boron priest?

Silipon (is that the name ?) is a sword. It does have a name. It's the emperor's personal sword, as far as I can remember it. Or was it.

"Rhazzi", ass some players call him, was an undead dragon. Only bones. He needed to sacrifice lots of people in order to stay ... "alive" (read: undead). He was bearing one of the most dangerous demonic artifacts existing on Dere, and he could possess it only because he was already undead, as far as I understood it.

[Farflame]

Thanks for info, Alrik, although I'm not much enlightened regarding Rhazzi's death . I'm going to dig some info about Mage wars from inet sources.

No idea about that hero I'm searching for? Some cunning, persistent man, not a fighter. Amosh?

Its hard to delve into Aventurian history and read all the stories about Rondra saints, noble knights and rulers - when you are not german. TDE lore is probably comparable only to Faerun history. Even Elders Scrolls lore isnt so big in scope.

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Another interesting story:
In 1027 BF Alagrimm created much havoc in dwarven realm in Kosh mountains and Kosh province. He is described as elemental firebird - something like Phoenix. Is he really a bird? And why dwarves didnt destroy him in the past? Is he immortal so they could only capture/banish him?

[Alrik Fassbauer]

Its hard to delve into Aventurian history and read all the stories about Rondra saints, noble knights and rulers - when you are not german. TDE lore is probably comparable only to Faerun history. Even Elders Scrolls lore isnt so big in scope.

I have similar problems with English-only parts of the (A)D&D worlds ... Well, now some things are translated into German, but I don't want to buy every book ...

The Planescape books, by the way, are still English-only, I think I remember.

Another interesting story:
In 1027 BF Alagrimm created much havoc in dwarven realm in Kosh mountains and Kosh province. He is described as elemental firebird - something like Phoenix. Is he really a bird? And why dwarves didnt destroy him in the past? Is he immortal so they could only capture/banish him?

This story was covered through a few articles in the "Aventurischer Bote".

As far as I understood it, the Alagrimm is kind of an Elemental. The Wiki pages say that he (?) was an Ally of Pyrdacor - the mighty dragon who allied himself with the Nameless God, and who also declared himself to a God as well. He fought the Dwarves, and created Elementals who should battle them within the Dwarven halls themselves !. Because Pyrdacor and his other dragons couldn't go intoi the Dwarven halls - simply because they are under the rocks and under the mountains. So he (Pyrdacor) created means to battle the Dwarves within their own realms - apparingly Alagrimm was one of them.

Another entry says that the Alagrim fed upon what he burned.

And another entry says that an ally of "Rhazzi" freed him.

He was - and is again - "banned" within an "cold dungeon" deep under the dwarven halls of Koschim.

As an Elemental, he (?) cannot be destroyed, only banned, it seems to me.

Here is a little bit more about him : http://www.eychgras.de/koschwiki/index. ... e=Alagrimm

[Farflame]

What is general attitude of people of Middle realm to dragons- now in 1032 BF? I assume that usual commoner dont know much about Ancient/High Dragons. Of course there are some dragon worshipping cults or orders like Draconites or Knights of the Red Dragon that have wider knowledge of dragon's past and shares it (at least partially). On the other hand Dragon Wars ignited much hatred amongst the ancient people. Dwarves still remember their arch-enemy. Also there happened some bad events in more recent past - Alagrimm's crisis (elemental created by Pyrdacor), dragon Greing (he burnt city of Koschtal when local baron refused to give him his daughter), evil lesser dragons like Tatzelwurms (english name?) appears from time to time. So do have people more mixed feelings about dragons or are they more positive about them? Or did they revere only some High/Ancient dragons and fear the other, less inteligent dragons?

[Xeledon]

In General, people fear dragons as they know how easily they can be grilled by them - or even worse. The ancient dragon wars (in the age of Pyrdacor) isn't remembered by humans anymore, in fact the people from Myranor hadn't even landed in Aventuria yet, so the only human witnesses were the ancestors of the Tulamids. Only some weird magicians (Rakorium e.g.) are aware of that part of history, other humans may only know very small parts of it, wrapped up in a lot of myth. The dwarves will never forget their arch-enemy, so there's a kind of eternal hatred between them and all reptilioids. The Tulamids have hate issues with reptilians as well, but in the middle realm, people tend to differ between "good dragons", that help people (for example Apep guarding the mountains on the border to the dark realms), and "bad dragons" (in fact most of them). Yet, big dragons are not a common sight in most parts of the middle realm and the smaller dragons (pearl dragons, westwind dragons and other) tend to mind their own business and are just considered to be a special kind of wild animals. So there is a lot of myth and legend concerning dragons and the common peons are just glad that they don't have to care about dealing with dragons, because wethere they're good or bad, they definitely are dangerous.

[Alrik Fassbauer]

I hear that the current "Dragon" campaign is changing quite a lot at how especially higher educated people see dragons and how they influence the world.
Drakensang 1 can be seen as some kind of prelude to that.

The normal folks usually don't get in touch with dragons at all - except if some würms try to scavenge and plunder farms and houses.

[Xeledon]

I hear that the current "Dragon" campaign is changing quite a lot at how especially higher educated people see dragons and how they influence the world.

Well after having read the first two publications from the "Dragon Chronicles", I couldn't really find much new aspects on dragons being brought to the eyes of the public.

Spoiler

Yes, there is some information on the bloodline of Pyrdacor and about the time when he ruled most of the continent, but only the heroes and some of their companions get these information, whereas people like Rakorium and Dracodan of Misaquell knew most of it before.

Until now, there's only the small group of heroes, that gets into intense contact with the old dragons and their legacy. But maybe the upcoming parts 3&4 of the campaign will bring the topic forth to the eyes of the public. Yet, this all just happens after "Drakensang" and is just linked to it by the whole Umbracor-Plot, that hasn't had any relevance in the "Dragon Chronicles" until now.

[virumor]

Was the dragon in Drakensang 1 a baby dragon or adolescent dragon? It was not particularly hard to kill. Quite the contrary, in fact.

[Xeledon]

You mean the purple worm Japhgur? I don't know his exact date of birth but he was the youngest of the purple dragons of Aventuria. There is a book you can find in the game referring to his story, where he is found as a young hatchling by a nobleman who killed his mother. The noblemen is about 40 years old by the time of Drakensang, so Japhgur shouldn't be older than about 20 to 25 years. So, we're really talking about a kind of baby dragon that might just have reached puberty. So I had much fun fighting him and it took me some anti-burn-lotions and stuff, but I agree that it wasn't really difficult considering that this is a dragon. Playing Drakensang for the first time, I had more problems fighting the stinking Tatzelwurm (how is that translated into English?) than the mighty purple dragon. The reason that he doesn't simply toast the whole party (be honest - a close-ranged attack on a dragon always seems like a bad idea to me) is that being a baby or an adolescent he hasn't grown to his full power yet AND he is already hurt by the dwarven warriors with the big ballista-thingy. Maybe even his long captivity at the castle of "Blutberge" (again, I don't know the correct English translation for that, maybe something like "bloody mountain" ) played a part in not letting him grow up to the full power of a purple dragon. Yet they are not really the strongest fighters among the big dragons, as they are among the most powerful sorcerers in the whole world of Aventuria and rely mostly on their arcane power.